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Cosplay: we've lost the meaning behind it.

Journal Entry: Tue May 7, 2013, 1:23 AM
  • Mood: Disgust
  • Reading: Naruto
  • Watching: Metalocalypse
  • Drinking: Tea and protein shakes


Most cosplayers on Facebook may have come across some drama that unfolded on a 'cosplay page', but for those who haven't I'll show you.
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi…
This picture was posted up, and has since been deleted off their page due to the massive backlash. I can't even begin to comprehend what made them post it up. And I can't tell if the picture is pointing at overweight people, westerners, or both. Either way it's sickening.

Time and time again I see this bullshit. Even searching up cosplays on google, you see images of cosplayers being ridiculed for a 'bad choice'. Yes, I've said many times that one should choose their costumes wisely, but that should NEVER limit someone. I think we all have to remember why we cosplay- why we're all part of this subculture.

Cosplay is:
1. A means to escape the real world
2. A way to express your love and passion for a series
3. A chance to test your technical and/or artistic skills
4. An excuse to be a youngin', to have fun, and to be broke (lol)
5. A chance to meet new and old friends

I don't see any 'a chance to be bullied' or 'a chance to be a cunt' up there. And if you feel that way, get the fuck out of cosplay.

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:iconpineapplesamurai:
PineappleSamurai Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Student Filmographer
Ye Gods! I salute all who have the guts to cosplay! God knows I don't at least not without a helmet.
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Shiyumi-Neruka Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with you!! I've seen many summaries on what cosplay is about, and yours couldn't be more correct!! :heart:
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FluffyLover1986 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013
A little late here, but I believe the page Building a Superhero (on facebook) stated it best:

You can spend 6 hours a day on sewing a costume--why not dedicate 45 of those to getting a wonderful figure to put in it?
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otakuHime19 Featured By Owner May 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I have seen this on facebook as well and I was upset by the comments and the meme itself was just downright unforgivable. I don't know what the creator had in mind when they did this, cosplaying is a kind of art, to express yourself and the love of an anime, game, comic, and much more in your own ways. I can admit I am not the best cosplayer out there but I enjoy it because I have a chance to step outside of my own shell and relax, and have fun in another one. This woman, in the picture, has done herself right! She loves something, cosplay as someone, and shows what she is made of. No one can expect to get EVERY LITTLE DETAILS correct. I respect thee ! :heart:
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Mad-Maven Featured By Owner May 13, 2013
there's so much drama but it doesn't make me want to stop because I have too much fun. It is sad that others are discouraged from the fun though :(
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h1dek1 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student General Artist
i see a friend comment about the post and
i agreed with what you said, it's disgusting :(
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ramgar21 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
Agree!
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Five-Spirit-Spheres Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I was never mutch into cosplay... because mainly because I'm fat and shy and stuff. And now I'm old.

But I admire cosplayers. Anyway, bullying is a human condition I guess... Humans have a need to bully, to insult someone in order to feel superior. So, I'm not surprised.

Sorry if there's some confusing sentences here, I don't speak english.
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LittleMs-Strange Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
100% agreed!
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ArshnessDreaming Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Student Digital Artist
My personal philosophy is that I won't cosplay as a skinny character. I'm fat. I can't make a costume well enough to look like a character that does not share any resemblance to my body type. Why should I try to pull off Toph when I could go as Uncle Iroh and rock that shit, and you know what? No one else is going to be playing him because people are afraid of using what they have. But he's pretty much the coolest mofo IN that show. So why not love up the characters that I can actually pull off well?

But does that give me, you, or anyone else a right to give any form of bullying, meanness or rudeness if they DO have the confidence and the attitude to go rock a character that's smaller than they are. Should I go jump on the skinny girls cosplaying anime characters because they don't have the breast size for it? NONE of us have the right EYES for most of these characters, and last time I checked nobody was freaking perfect.

If you don't have the courage to do what you love and rock it regardless of what other people think, this may be the wrong hobby for you because the fact is that people suck, and no matter how wrong it is, we can't change that. But this fact is also not going to stop me from slapping the idiots saying the stupid shit because it is absolutely NOT ACCEPTABLE.

You have NO RIGHT to tell people what they can and can't imagine.
If you want to try to do that, go ahead and get off my planet. I have no use for you.
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KaienLoveYaoi2 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Student General Artist
I agree with all of this! Especially since I'm a heavy westerner myself o-o Getting cosplay right is unbelievably difficult for me but I'll be damned if I'm not going to dress up and try! Do I think someone 300+ lbs should cosplay as Faye Valentine from Cowboy Bebop? Noooooot really...but hey, fucking go for it if you love it enough!
Think of "failed cosplays" that are famous....like Sailor Bubba! Fail to Win!
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Jarrak Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
I realized a few days ago, that if all cosplayers agreed to stop using the term 'cosplay', 90% of the BS bullying and elitism would have to stop and retreat. If people just say they are just dressing up to have fun, then there is no pretend implication that they are pretending they look and act exactly like a character.

The term 'cosplay' gives cosplayers and non-cosplayers a license to definite it as they please and thus hide behind that for their elitism and bullying. Which is all BS.

I applaud any and every one that stands up to bullies, in real life or the internet. They rock. :)
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thepeddy Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Totally, I don't care if you spent $30 at Big W or $300 dollars on materials that you used to make your own. If you are cosplaying for the enjoyment or to show your fandom, I'm right there with you. You've got my respect, and deserve it from other people as well.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I agree. The only thing I act 'elite' about is that bought or comissioned costumes shouldn't enter into cosplay comp, especially if the come is aimed at awarding one's sewing and craft abilities.
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alternatepony Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I really, really don't want to one of those people but I feel like I have to say it.

Due to increased awareness and lack of tolerasnce of bullying in many schools and workplaces. The people who feel the need to lash out saying mean and hurtful things have retreated to the internet. This combined with cosplays heavily visual presentation and semi- mainstream attention it gets, is what has caused the build up to this backlash and uproar of this commonity due to two different groups of people developing conflict ideas of what this community is suppose to be about.

On a side not prediction: I think cosplay will be one of last place that bullying still occurs at relatively high rate, it won't be from fellow cosplayers but from casual observers (the worst type of fans). which is kind of always the case of bullys they never full enjoy something if their willing to bully someone over it.
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grifter78 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
no matter what, there will always be haters. we just need to make sure our voice is stronger in those times. :)
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Saerianne Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Student General Artist
The girl in the picture saw this picture and wrote that she made it in 2003 for a fun group with her friends. That 'cosplay' group is just a group of guys wanting their daily fanservice of 'hot' girls dressed as a characters. And while I really hate this, I think that because cosplay is increasing more on popular social media like facebook, it was kind of inevitable to have people be jackasses.
The way I see it there's 2 general groups of people: The people that put love and effort in to their work and can appreciate other cosplayers work despite the outcome, and the retards that just want to see hot girls in skanky costumes and will bully those they don't find attractive.
Because honestly, on most popular facebook pages there are people who can't keep their mouth shut and constantly write utter unnecessary shit. There's always one person who insists on a cosplayer as 'fat', 'old' or 'ugly'. I find it pretty disgusting.
Also this whole 'only asians can cosplay' thing sickens me. Cosplay is a hobby, not a 'look-a-like' competition. A lot of characters are from cultures that are not Japanese orientated - and frankly who gives a fuck about their ethnicity?! I don't and most people don't. It's just a few guys spreading their negativity and bullcrap throughout the community.
Wish I didn't have to go to uni because I was ready to write an essay on this stupidity.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
THIS.
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BOYKINS Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i'll say it here like i said it on some else's fb status... " social web sites like fb are giving idiots to big of a platform to say dumb shit".

by the looks at their like page im not surprised by that picture . its nothing but asian cosplayers and very few foreign ones ( who look similar to the asian cosplayers) and especially no over weight ones. every single cosplayer on this page look the same ( even when cosplaying different characters ) and with exception of maybe the cosplays itself its no diversity in any of these fb posts.

the admin of this like page ( the one who created the picture that link is talking about) obvious has the "asians do it better" mindset . because from what im reading its the same page who is also making fun of black cosplayers aswell..

that being said they also a bit hypocritical with that picture... if americans can cosplay to save their lives why do you have americans cosplay shared on their page!!!

apparently us americans can cosplay ... but maybe its the overweight ones they are really refering to ...
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BOYKINS Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
*if americans CAN'T cosplay ..
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Gubble Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
Sorry, I began to write this and ended up in a rage comment (not against you) because those things really make me angry. I feel very VERY sorry for the poor woman used on this screenshot.

I find all this >only Asians can cosplay< pretty racist, stereotypical and discriminating. I thought we are a "modern society" and stereotypes are at least officially bad.
It is people's own preference or taste and no objective and measurable thing. I have seen bad cosplays but I've also seen non-asians who put a lot of effort into their costumes and looked great. Are they bad because they are not Asian? I have even seen comparisons of Asians and non-Asians cosplaying the same person titled "Why non-Asians can't cosplay" and some of the non-Asian cosplays looked much better in my opinion and even suited the character more. It is my taste but why should other people's opinion be matter-of-fact if mine is not? It's just their >opinion< as well. You can argue about precision but this is a skill thing that also non-Asians can achieve. Maybe a larger group of Asians put more precision into their cosplays but this is not because they are >genetically Asian< but because maybe their culture taught them to be precise or more Asians hold a beyond-hobbyist passion for it. Those are personal things though and are not related to what race you are born with (not speaking of socialisation). To say non-Asians can't achieve the skills to make good cosplays would be as if one says "whites can't play violin", "Asians cannot act" "Blacks are only good at sports" etc. Everything beyond measurable crafting skill is taste. I may like a person in a stunning cosplay representing a character or I may not.
Also, the argument that cosplaying someone, who is not your race, is racist really bugs me. According to this logic then e.g. Japanese should not be allowed to play Marvel or DC characters or Chinese/Korean characters or Harry Potter or Lord of the rings/elfs (who are from Northern mythology) etc. etc. A lot of animes use material from Western cultures such as Western dragons or apply a lot international mythology (look at all the creatures from Final Fantasy who are taken from various mythologies) just as many Asia fans use Asian elements in their stories (is Avatar - The last Airbender racist because Americans created a story about imaginary Asian cultures?). To exclude cultures from fantasy, games/play and stories makes those things dry and isolated. Many fantasy elements are based upon other cultures. Should we exclude everything "foreign" because it is racist as it is not "ours"? Isn't sharing and exchanging of cultures what brings us together? That us always what I felt. It was making my world richer and I hoped it would make other people's world richer, too.
I feel like all this "group x can do this better than group y" is dividing us. I thought the love for something should bring people together.
When I despite my race love a character and identify with it, then I identify with their personality which is not bound to racial genetics. But only because I'm not Asian (or because an Asian is not another race) I may not cosplay this very special character if they're Asian (and Asians can't play a character that is non-Asian)?
Wow, what a narrow-minded thought. I find >that< racist.
I am sorry, but I am just so angry if taste and opinion is sold as a fact and people jump on this train and cause so much trouble. I don't mind Asians, nor do I mind any other race. I just can't stand stereotypicals in general and arrogance of groups towards other groups, no matter whether ethnical, religious, political, etc. To exclude someone (or want to exclune someone indirectly by frowning upon them) is just so insanely discrimminating that I can hardly believe it. Aren't equality and open opportunities despite race, gender, etc. at least >officially< principles that are hold high? What happened to this subculture to make one race superior (and underlining their idea with polemic, onesided and incredibly harmful examples)?

I'm sorry, I'm speechless. I can't believe this arrogance, whoever may express it.
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Dingo-Sniper Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you ever heard of that video called "Why only Asians can cosplay" at all? It's basically stating that if we cosplay, we are racist as we are not Asians or look close enough to them. It amazes me how some people come up with this bullshit, where do they even get the statistics for their statements? just by being a bias dick and stating why one race is better than the other?

I am for one a person who has always wanted to cosplay and i've actually hit the point in my life where i want to go out and do this stuff especially with my friends. I shouldn't be told "you are not allowed to cosplay because you are so and so", i've already had one person actually tell me that because I told them that I was cosplaying York from Red vs Blue and she is a psycho about it, so naturally she didn't like the fact and told me 50 reasons as to why i shouldn't. I basically told her I could do what ever i wanted, ain't no obsessive fangirl going to control who I can and can't cosplay. Another reason people have said is that you should only cosplay the character if "you are like them both physically and personally", oh please, haven't we heard that one before. I had one chick (surprisingly i have a lot of friends who are girls...) tell me i shouldn't do N from Pokemon because I don't have the green hair, uh, ever heard of wigs?

I think i may have mini ranted there XD, but all in all your statement stands corrected with the points you made. We are allowed to cosplay because it is fun and we get to test our selves with designing outfits and props... especially costumes related to characters from mass effect (Garrus...). Also going broke, that too XD
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