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COSPLAY =/= CONSENT, HOWEVER.....

Journal Entry: Fri Apr 19, 2013, 7:27 PM
  • Mood: Grouchy
  • Listening to: Daft Punk- "Get Lucky"
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  • Watching: A Dose Of Buckley
  • Playing: Bioshock Infinite
  • Eating: Ratatouille
  • Drinking: Tea


I think all cosplayers have been brought to the attention of the latest fad sweeping every convention, forum, blog, vlog, and practically everywhere else... the whole "cosplay =/= consent" thing.
Do I support this ideal? Absolutely. Everyone who knows me knows I do, considering I own a pair of boobs and all that comes with being a woman.
However, this trend had caught the attention of feminazi's [feminist nazi's, aka. flailing vaginas] who are taking matters far and beyond and making rules of their own, even attacking individuals who say they've gone too far. Now this, I don't stand for.
But here's what I stand for...

I'm a cosplayer. I choose to cosplay.
I choose which cosplays I'd like to make.
Nobody forced it onto me. It's my decision.
My decision to cosplay a certain character inevitably affects how people look at me, whether they adore my character, barely look at me, or stare at all my flesh.
As said above, I chose to wear that costume. My choice.
Everyone is equal at conventions. You all paid the same fee to get in, you're covered by the same rules.
Like it or not, there's perverts at conventions. And like it or not, I may get unwanted attention.
This attention is discouraged by any sane person, but you cannot control it.
Of course, if there's any unwanted verbal or physical contact, the perpetrator should be punished. Publicly shamed, even. Security should be called, and the individual should be banned from ever attending that convention again.
The cosplayer should never be blamed.
Again, the cosplayer should never be blamed.
But every choice has a consequence, and you must acknowledge that, whether you're in costume or not.
People have the right to take your photos. You're in a PUBLIC convention. No law protects you [except if the camera is concealed].
You don't want that kind of attention but you wanna wear the costume? Do a private shoot. Sign a TF form.
Want to avoid unwanted attention altogether at all costs? Choose your costumes wisely then. Simple.
Whether your male or female, you can be a victim, but don't take it overly personal.
Oh, and lastly...
When your pointed with the facts, don't go on a tyrant rage saying how this is 100% wrong.

The last part is in relation to my friend beethy [the guy who takes most of my pics], who's recently been attacked by a psychotic group of feminazi's because he pointed out some facts they didn't want to hear. Some are listed above in my statement. They didn't like what they heard. In fact, all they wanted to hear was that all men are perverts, people can't take photos without permission, and cosplayers have full rights at conventions when it comes to interactions with non-cosplayers.
Now because of this, he's been mercilessly attacked by this group. They're run a campaign to kick him off cosplayphotographers.com, they've locked his Facebook account, and they're sending him horrible emails and even trying to hack his address. I honestly didn't want to believe it when I heard/saw what was happening. These actions are embarrassing on the feminiazi's end. It shows how far a hissy-fit can take some people!

I think with every culture and/or subculture, the overly fanatic can go too far. Cosplay is a hobby. It's a choice. It's fun. It's what you make of it. Simple.

I welcome and encourage discussion of the topic.

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:icondangvietmichael:
DangVietMichael Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013
As a guy that just adores people's beautiful craftsmanship and as well as "cosplay" of people I just love e.g. I don't see /have not seen why people get so butthurt. I read peoples fb cosplay pages about how they last minute spend so much effort making their costumes before a con. As if they wouldn't want their costume to be shared. Also those who actually buy costumes, the amount of money spent, same thing. I always ask a person's permission to take a photo, its not about cosplay, its in general. To organise an online strike against a person, its the internet, worse its just fb. Theres far more worse things then a guy telling you the truth, eg pervertion or really strong guy hugging you at a con and breaking something
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AshBimages Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013  Professional Photographer
Expect ≠ Accept.

You have to expect that there are going to be people who take their behavior too far at cons. Its NOT THE SAME as accepting the people who take their behavior too far at cons.

No matter what you where. No matter where you are, you have to be conscious of yourself and do what you can to protect yourself.

THAT IS NOT SAYING THAT IT IS YOUR FAULT IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN.

Just do as much as you can to avoid dangerous situations.

And if something does happen to you, GET HELP.

-AshB
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Shoji-Aoyama Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013
I was linked here by a friend, and jumped back on my very inactive dA account to post back, because I like this so much

and I wont get into any of that other craziness since ive dealth with enough of it on my Facebook. . . but that last bit on Beethy. . . a very wonderful, and well known name in our community. . . getting called out for knowing his rights, and everything else is frankly disgusting, and disturbing. Looking at some of the threads and what not spawned from the whole issue, I will openly admit I was at one point fearing for my own safety and that of my equipment in a Convention environment. Needless to say thats very detrimental to the creative process to the point where I was debating just ending it and withdrawing from the active circuit. I dont know how many others feel this way, but if cosplay photographers are thrown under the same blanket and further antagonized, the outlook for the future gets pretty dim as Cosplayers dont get the pictures they so desire

anyways, thats me, and my rather detached view of things. . . but again, Thank You, for having a level head, and some common sense, the Cosplay Community could use more like you :)
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Thankyou for this! Great to get your input on the issue, aswell :D
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Dickywebster Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
It worries me that some people go to these kind of lengths because of a difference of opinion...

Though why are they giving their side a bad name because a small group gave the other side a bad name?
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Adravis Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
Very well reasoned and well argued. I like your separation of responsibility. I think a lot of people think that wanting something somehow translates into their right to have it. In a perfect world cosplayers would somehow get the attention they wanted exactly and cosplay viewers would get to give the exact attention that wanted to give but obviously these things are frequently not going to mix in the real world. A line has to be drawn as to what is ok and what isn't and it seems you have reasoned what that is well. Or at least, I agree with what you're saying.
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Mathematic-Hack Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
I completely agree with your point. In no way are unwanted sexual advances okay, whether in costume or in every-day clothes.

While that is true, it's important for people dressing up to understand that while it is wrong, it's going to happen. Unfortunately the world isn't perfect, and hopefully the environment you're in is a safe one, but there is always someone who will spoil things. There are people who just don't understand boundaries. Because of that, it takes a mature person to make the right decisions if they're going to cosplay. If you don't think that you can handle the occasional situation in which a pervert acts inappropriately, you might want to re-think what you'll dress as, and how. It's totally shitty that the world is like that, and no, it's not fair at all. Everyone should be able to live life to the fullest-- unmolested by invasion of any kind, but our world just isn't like that.

There's a reason why we still lock our doors when we leave our homes, you can just never be too comfortable.

Don't be ashamed though, if you aren't the type of person who can't handle the 'extreme' unwanted attention, it's smart to understand your own limits, besides, no one should have to deal with that.
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h1dek1 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Student General Artist
agreed with you
the common sense is the best for everyone
what they are doing is clearly, affecting people that don't have done nothing
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SparklesStorm Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
In a way, some people are choosing characters that are... huum a little too much but hey, if they choose that character instead of another, they know they're going to attract a lot of attention from photographers...
To blame them after is sadly ironic and absolutely wrong.
...We're all adult here.
These women has gone too far... I really hope they're going to leave your friend alone.
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:iconvera-chimera:
Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
People know that when they choose a fleshy costume, they're gonna get attention, but some can't deal with that. The cosplayer isn't wrong in their thinking, but still have to be aware of the people around them.

If I'm wearing a skimpy costume, I'm always careful. If I'm going up stairs, I cover my bum; if I notice certain people above me, I move or cover my cleavage; etc.
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3DMG Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Wouldn't the same rules for photos in a public place apply in costume or out. If you are in a public place you can't stop someone taking a photo. If you are at a place which says you are allowing yourself to be photographed. Surely this means anyone not trying to take an upskirt etc is not doing anything wrong.

Are you saying the "creep shaming" is even being applied to people just walking around taking pictures?

How did they ban his FB account?
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Mathematic-Hack Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
There's a pretty clear, obvious line between taking pictures of someone in an overtly sexualized or exploitative fashion and taking a proper photo of them.

For example, you walk by with your camera, see someone, decide they look awesome and ask to take a picture or-- take one in a very obvious and non-threatening way (probably without singling them out). Doesn't seem like a big deal.

Another example is, you decide you like the way they look, so you sidle up next to them and try to take pictures in a way that you're pretty sure you could only get away with because they might not know you're doing it, or they may not totally understand what you're doing.

The difference is near black and white. People know what they're doing, when they're doing it.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Everyone knows upskirt shots are sexual harassment. It's not acceptable at all, and I'd personally beat the living shit out of someone if I saw it. ALL pictures should be taken from waist-to-face height, unless the model consents to otherwise.
And I think it's simply obvious to say that as long as one is taking a simple picture, then all is fine.

The group spammed reports against him, saying he was assaulting them, hence why they locked his account. Fortunately, Beethy took snapshots of the conversation, and will publicise it when he feels it's needed.
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3DMG Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Assaulting them? Have eh met in person?

Would love to see the text published.... Maybe a book.
"Conversations with a feminazi"
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malizlewa Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013
Wow, these feminazi's are honest hypocrites. They expect gender equality when they themselves attack the other sex? Yeah, great logic there.

Offtopic: I am happy that you're listening to Get Lucky - Daft Punk though. Cant wait for their album!!!!
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:iconvera-chimera:
Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Yeah, they contradict themselves to the point that it's embarrassing. I question if they're truly fighting for "women's rights" or if they just want to start something against men for the hell of it,

And yes, it's a badass song :)
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malizlewa Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Do they even realise who helped in their creation of birth? Without men, they wouldnt be alive to hate men...
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Jarrak Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013
Okay Vera here is the event I'm attending this week, I looked up the rules, and the only thing photo wise it said was:

By attending *******, you give your consent to be photographed and appear on camera.

But that was from them and the press, not other people, but maybe the same. I always assumed I'd be photographed, it is nice to be asked first of course! :)
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Of course, I like to be asked aswell if someone wants a picture. It's good courtesy. But not all people behave this way at conventions, so all you can do is accept it, haha.
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:iconjarrak:
Jarrak Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Yep, it doesn't really bother me too much, and even if I'm dressed goofy, on some level it's a compliment that they take my picture. :D
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qzbk Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Every one challenges these feminist groups the wrong way. They are socialists and will attack anything that is part of an established culture until it is destroyed leaving them to force their agenda to be put in place.
They do not believe in freedom of speech or expression. They are very dangerous people that only exist to destroy democracies.
I know to some this sounds ridiculous but that's okay as long as you remember this post. One day it will make sense to you. These organizations will attack anything that is part of an established culture until their sick version of how we should be living our lives is the only one allowed.
They believe we are all too stupid to make decisions on our own and we all must be forced into "politically correct" ideologies.
Communists and Socialists were responsible for tens of millions of deaths this past century because the think they know better than the rest of us.
They are evil and dangerous and will never let up unless we learn to fight back.
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Mathematic-Hack Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
If you're talking about groups like militant feminists, I'm pretty sure they often are reacting against the things that are wrong in society. Sexual discrimination, objectification, etc. The problem is how they think it should be dealt with. Attacking people will never change their mind, it's the least persuasive thing one could do. They want equality, they want to be left alone and be put equal (as well they should), but they want it now, and unfortunately, change in society is a really slow moving process. Since that's not fast enough, the quickest way to change things is just to disrupt them.

Feminism is great (and extremely worth-while), it's important not to marginalize it because there's a few rotten eggs. Feminists (really, people in general) can't be reduced all down to a single definition, it's not practical to think that they're all the same. It's even sexist to do so.
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qzbk Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I apologize if I came off being offensive to Feminists in general. The so called leadership lost all credibility with me when they gave their womanizing boyfriend (Bill Clinton) a pass on his repeated exploitation of women. The message I now get from them is they will only defend there position if the offender is from a different political party. If you exploit women and go to the same political conventions as they do then what ever you do to women is fine with them.
I'm not sure just what the average Feminist believes in but I think I would most likely agree with most of it. I didn't mean to sound like I was only picking on Feminists per say but they were the topic in question.
I feel very strongly about failed leadership of all kinds. I am a Christian and have been outraged about the stance on homosexuality. Statements saying God hates homosexuals is just wrong. God loves all of us and made us all flawed. I am not a homosexual but that doesn't make me any better than someone who is. I believe homosexuality is a sin but I also sin everyday so I am no better or worse then they are.
Anyway my point was a criticism against the Feminist leadership and their agenda and not people like yourself.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
... What?
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:iconqzbk:
qzbk Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Sorry for coming across a little extreme.
It's just that anybody or group who's goal is to force their beliefs on others by intimidation makes me nuts.
I agree with everything you said in your post.
If you choose to cosplay as a sexy character then you should be allowed to do so. Young women, like yourself, are sexy no matter what they wear. It's ridiculous to attack your choice of attire at a convention that celebrates all of these fantastic characters. If they really had a problem with scantily clad women they should go after the swimsuit industry first.
It's crazy how other people can interpret someone else's work as something so different than what you meant it to be. People see things through their own eyes so its obvious that they're the ones with the problem not you or other cosplayers.
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bgzstudios Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Professional Photographer
I am PISSED that he has his FB locked..

If he is getting blocked, so should they - going to contact FB myself and see if i can help clear his name.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I'm sure this will all clear up soon, and his account will be back online. Unfortunately, these kind of people can't be stopped.
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DarkainMX Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Professional Photographer
Costuming and photography have nothing to do with it... The feminist group started because a group of people were being attacked for having different beliefs. The Cosplay is not Consent group started for the same reason, because a group of people were being attacked... and now, it has gone too far, where they've become the attackers, attacking someone because his views on the subject are different. This is not right. You can never stop the attacks by becoming an attacker.

[link] - "Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love..."
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I like your way of thinking :)
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dollphinwing Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
The fact is if you wear a costume you're going to get attention. I know from experience that the more revealing the costume the worse attention you get, it's just the way it is and we can't do much to change that. What you can do is take precautions like not walking around by yourself and other safe things. But besides all that it sounds like these women are just being really butt-hurt for no reason, how shameful.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Very true. Many cosplayers feel and think the same as you/we do, so it's sad to see these melodramatic feminazis take crap to a whole new level.

To a very certain extent, I can see why they get pissy: they just don't want perverts to exist. Period. And I get that. But there's literally nothing we can do about it. Conventions draw many different crowds in, including those into hentai, fetishes, and staring at half-naked girls and boys. If you can't grow guts to tolerate these crowds, don't cosplay. It's as easy as that.
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:iconlemwell:
Lemwell Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013
Who are these feminazis??! Maybe we can ban them as we'll and hack their account. Lets see if the like being bullied back.
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:iconvera-chimera:
Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Nah, we'd be sexist anarchists lol
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:iconlemwell:
Lemwell Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013
I read the wrong I thought you said the "sexiest anarchist". :)
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TheDrugInMeIsYou00 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Student General Artist
What can you expect from a bunch of selfish, ignorant cunts?
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Nothing less
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:iconbulletproofturtleman:
Man some people just take something fun .. and make it not fun. They just need to realize it's not something to make so serious while still respecting others.
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:iconvera-chimera:
Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Ten years ago... Even five years ago... We never had such a bad problem with feminazis until now. It's getting ridiculous.
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:iconbulletproofturtleman:
A lot of consideration and political correctness has gone out the window as time goes on. I thought I was just becoming senile with the whole "back in my day, there was none of this ___" but it really seems that people are giving less of a fuck nowadays.
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Samii-Doll Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
They seem like bitches. Poor guy.
Although from what I've read, my country has different rules at con's than yours....
In our con's I've been to in Australia, you are required to ask the cosplayer for permission to take a photo. (except in the cosplay competition parts - then it's free reign). It also says on the "conditions of entry and reasons you may be removed" that you cannot touch the cosplayer without their permission (because some costumes are more delicate than others, and you may not realize just how fragile something is until it's too late), and that this includes posing while taking photos with a cosplayer.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I completely understand the touching rule. If someone touches me without permission I give them hell. But photos? You can't control someone snapping a pic. Asking for a photo is common courtesy and is highly encouraged, but language barriers and people who don't know courtesy are a bit of a blockade on that ideal. So yeah, I just take it all with a grain of salt lol.
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Samii-Doll Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. Well I'm pretty sure they aren't going to throw someone out for taking a photo, but it does state that they -can- do so.... My guesses is they'd be told that next time be courteous and ask first.

I don't understand why those "feminazis" would be all uppity if someone gawked at them if they were wearing a revealing cosplay outfit. I don't know why they'd expect anything different really. Lol
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DJRM01 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013
It is always unfortunate when the defenders become just as intolerant and fanatical as the trolls.
And I am sorry to hear that they are targeting beethy, I enjoy the photography.
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Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Yeah, Beethy's a good guy. He has alot of people looking out for him, so he's in good hands :)
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DarkLordTyrannus Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013
Amen.
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:iconvera-chimera:
Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
:headbang:
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Grimsone Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
''flailing vaginas'' OH GOD MY SIDES HURT FROM LAUGHING
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:iconvera-chimera:
Vera-Chimera Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I was flipping between 'flailing vaginas' or 'phantom fannies'...
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Grimsone Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm going to freak out like a fanboy right now. BECAUSE YOU RESPONDED TO ME ASDFGDFGFDS :iconcannotevenplz:
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AmyThunderbolt Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Holy shit?? Is that why his FB disappeared.... That's fucked. > : |
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